April 17, 2008
by: jovial_cynic
Sorry for the lack of posts lately. I've been down with pneumonia, and I'm still not at 100% yet.
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Kristen said:
Major suckage! Feel better soon, friend.
April 17, 2008

Luke said:
Well brother, just put your hands on your lungs and say, "Satan and pneumonia I BIIIIIINNNNDD YOUUUUU. I BIIINNNNDDD YOUUUU IN THE NAME OF JEEEEESSSUUUUUSSS!!!!!"

I was on another forum and a friend shared his health issue with the group. This lady wrote a version of the above. I think I laughed for about 15 minutes straight....

Get well soon

April 17, 2008

Chris said:
Get well. I do have a question that I would like to have you answer once you feel better of course. So, I too support Obama, however, I have reservations that I can't seem to squash entirely. I am interested in your response(s). Ok here it goes: And, it isn't necessarily one of these, but the sum total that creates some concern. 1) Obama chooses not to wear the american flag pin. 2) Obama sat in Rev. Wright's church for 20 years and no doubt heard his anti-american comments. 3) Obama's wife made a statement several months ago about being proud of being an American for the first time in a long while. 4) His participation in the million man march. 5) His apparent, while be it passive support of Louis Farrakhan. 6) I have seen videos of him at speeches/etc not holding his hand over his heart while the Pledge of Allegiance was being said. Again, while one of these alone is not concerncing, its the cumulative effect. How do you reconcile all this? I'm curious because I want to support Obama and still do, but can't seem to reconcile these for myself atleast. Thanks!
April 18, 2008

jovial_cynic said:
Thanks, folks - I'm feeling a bit better today. My kids have been sick also, and having them wake up in the middle of the night with 103+ degree fevers has been preventing any hope of a full-night's rest, slowing my recovery time.

Chris - as to your five points, I can't tell if you're serious, or if you're mocking the ABC debates which brought up trivial issues as a way to invalidate Obama. Either case, here:

1. Obama says this regarding the flag pin: "You know, the truth is that right after 9/11, I had a pin," Obama said. "Shortly after 9/11, particularly because as we're talking about the Iraq War, that became a substitute for I think true patriotism, which is speaking out on issues that are of importance to our national security, I decided I won't wear that pin on my chest.

2. Watch this video.

3. I agree with Michelle Obama's sense that she's feeling proud of America for the first time. I feel that way too. So much of the world has HATED America for its lone-star position on everything, and the fact that much of the world is rallying around the idea of Obama as president makes me feel proud to be an American, as opposed to feeling like I have to say "no no -- that's what the administration did" as a way to distance myself from the world's perception of America.

4. What is the million man march supposed to represent?

5. You can support something a man says (such as the fight against oppression of black people), and be against something else a man says. Most people don't support anyone 100%. I don't support 100% of what Obama says. I don't see that to be a problem.

6. I think you're confusing the pledge with the singing of the national anthem.

April 22, 2008

Chris said:
Some of them do seem trivial but interesting to hear your input. Ah the pledge, national anthem -either way he doesn't do the hand on the heart and that can rub some people the wrong way. Will he do it once he is sworn in? (rhetorical)
April 19, 2008

jovial_cynic said:
I think these questions stem from the question about whether or not Obama is really devoted to America... as though there might be some kind of dark agenda. However, if you listen to his speeches and listen to his planned policies, etc., I think you'll see that such questions aren't legitimate. It's obvious that he's committed to leading this nation into the kind of nation that serves its people instead of serves the interest of big corporations.

Any question to his devotion has been brought on by divisive politics meant to polarize the voting population. It's nonsense.

April 19, 2008

Chris said:
Its just "they" are darn good at the divisive thing! It creeps into the back of your head at times. I agree with you though about his commitment. Guess I just wanted some reassurance from someone else educated on today's politics.
April 19, 2008

jovial_cynic said:
Divisive politics is exactly what got the neo-cons in office in the first place. When you polarize the voters by pushing hot-button issues (gay marriage; abortion) as though those are the critical issues of America, and act as though the republican/conservative party is in alignment with religious groups, you force people into an us-verses-them (or "good" verses "evil") mentality. It's manipulative and corrupt.

Reject it whenever you see it.

April 19, 2008

Ra2thief said:
I have read this before about him not wearing the pin but This is the first
time I have seen his comment on the subject.

The response can be found on
his website.

Hot on the heels of his explanation for why he no longer wears a flag pin,
presidential candidate Senator Barack Obama was forced to explain why he
doesn't follow protocol when the National Anthem is played.

According to the United States Code, Title 36, Chapter 10, Sec.

171, During
rendition of the national anthem when the flag is displayed, all present
except those in uniform are expected to stand at attention facing the flag
with the right hand over the heart.

"As I have said about the flag pin, I don't want to be perceived as taking
sides," Obama said.

"There are a lot of people in the world to whom the
American flag is a symbol of oppression.

And the anthem itself conveys a
war-like message. You know, the bombs bursting in air and all.

It should
be swapped for something less parochial and less bellicose.

I like the song
'I'd Like to Teach the World to Sing'.

If that were our anthem, then I
might salute it.


This idiot doesn't even deserve to say "America".

Comment moved to this post for clarity

April 22, 2008

jovial_cynic said:
Title 36, Chapter 10 is a series of recommendations, not rules. It's custom, not regulation. It doesn't say "are expected to," as you quoted. It says "should." You are misrepresenting the situation. Go back and read it.

Regarding the singing of the anthem, who do you suppose is more incorrect? The one who believes the satire you posted about Obama, or the ones who continually post it as truth?

Please read:

In a satire of Barack Obama, John Semmens wrote that the senator stated he would rather salute "I'd Like To Teach.." than the national anthem. This fictional quote has appeared out of context in many blogs, shared videos and newsgroups generating negative reactions as if it were factual.

You've fallen for the propaganda machine, Ra2thief. Please go back and check facts before you fall victim to such manipulation again.

April 22, 2008

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